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#1433 - 02/25/04 07:21 AM Re: OT: Gay bashing
halljams Offline
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Registered: 09/06/02
Posts: 193
Loc: Yukon
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Originally posted by GlennR01:
(Stepping gingerly into the fray... thought this might be of some interest)

Why Gay Marriage Should Be Banned

1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like face lifts, eyeglasses, Viagra, and birth control.

2. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

3. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents raise only straight children.

4. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can't legally get married or stay married because the world needs more children.

5. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by the legislatures, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures historically have done such a fine job of protecting the rights of minorities.

7. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage but with a
different name, are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African Americans worked just
as well as separate marriages for gays and lesbians will.

8. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal
standing and can sign a marriage contract.

9. Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was awfully meaningful, and so was Newt Gingrich's "divorce her when she's dying" marriage.

10. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. We could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans, TV or African American governors.

11. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why single parents and divorced people are forbidden to raise children.

12. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, Blacks still can't marry Whites, and divorce is still illegal.

(Quietly sneaking out the back door)
What is interesting about it is how incredibly sad some people are.
It must be aweful to be so full of fear.

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#1434 - 02/25/04 07:21 AM Re: OT: Gay bashing
Nick Batzdorf Offline
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Registered: 04/15/99
Posts: 12161
Loc: Los Angeles, CA, USA
After thinking about this deeply, Mogandus, I'm convinced you're absolutely right.

Okay, I'm off to the Falklands. No more women for me.

In fact, I'm going to follow your path. This thing has a history of leading me astray.

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#1435 - 02/25/04 07:25 AM Re: OT: Gay bashing
halljams Offline
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Registered: 09/06/02
Posts: 193
Loc: Yukon
I'd like to be stranded on an island full of lesbians. Wouldn't that be a dream challenge!

****, they should make a reality TV show out of it.
"How many dykes can the stud nail in one month on "LESBIAN ISLAND"
Now THAT is entertainment.

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#1436 - 02/25/04 08:32 AM Re: OT: Gay bashing
Shane Offline
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Registered: 04/15/99
Posts: 546
Loc: La Crescenta, Ca. USA
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EWF:
According to the dictionary, values are simply beliefs. It's not a LACK of values because everyone has values, but everyone values something different. I'm sure that Muslims don't share all the same values as Christians but they still have them. Same with gays.
Agreed. We live in a free society where religion and differing opinions may be expressed freely as outlined in the constitution. Our Constitution is the absolute value I speak of. IMO, We as a people should respect and abide by it. In California the voice of the people decreed that a marriage is as defined according to the dictionary, (Websters), "The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife."

What is taking place in San Francisco amounts to civil disobedience, which is against the law.
If we allow this type of behavior to continue it undermines our constitution, which ultimately may result in choas and anarchy.
And, no society is able to thrive in an anarchistic state.

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As far as God allowing people to do bad things - it's called free will and we have it. It is a choice, faith and I've got to believe in God, in Jesus and what he did for me because of my sin. And I will hold onto that hope, thank you.

A thread like this isn't going to convince anyone to change his views. If we are really smart we won't let it turn anyone against anyone else either. I don't hate gays and I respect the people here who have opinions different than mine.
Carl
Well said Carl. I couldn't agree with you more.
At the end of the day, it's gonna come down to agreeing to disagree.

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Nick:
Shane, is my interpretation of what you said wrong? Someone who doesn't think gay marriage is immoral wouldn't bring up morality when they're talking about it, it seems to me. I find that immoral - and, for that matter, un-Christian, from my limited understanding of Christianity. It's immoral for you, but other people consider it beautiful. Gay people fall in and out of love just like heterosexual people.
I think you missed the point, that I can and will speak for myself.

The common thread I recognize is Moral Relativism, which basically has a "live and let live" attitude. The fundemental being that "truth is relative", and thereby subject to change. I didn't make it up. It's an attitude prevelent in today's society.


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Nick 2 Mogondus:
After thinking about this deeply, Mogandus, I'm convinced you're absolutely right.

Okay, I'm off to the Falklands. No more women for me.

In fact, I'm going to follow your path. This thing has a history of leading me astray
:D Good one!
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#1437 - 02/25/04 08:43 AM Re: OT: Gay bashing
BuzzCutz Offline
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Registered: 02/15/04
Posts: 2
Loc: Minnesota
Proof that being gay is normal:

If Gays = idiots
and
most people = idiots
then
most people= Gay

then the following is also true:

If
Normality = conformity with the norm
and
previous Proof states that Most people are gay
then
Gays = definition of the norm
and if
Normality = Nature
Then
Nature = Normality
and
Natural & Normal instincts = Gay

or for those with bisexual tendencies:
If
Gays = idiots
and
all people at some time = are idiots
then
the occasional idiot = Occasionally Gay
and
Occasionally Gay = Semi-Gay or Bi-Sexual

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Originally posted by Bulb Fiction:
To be gay is NOT normal. it is against NATURE.
and most gay people behave like idiots.

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#1438 - 02/25/04 08:51 AM Re: OT: Gay bashing
Justin Offline

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Registered: 04/15/99
Posts: 3276
Loc: Portland, OR
I really wasn't going to respond to this post because of the crude replies mixed in with the serious ones. I like a good joke as much as anyone but these jokes just aren't funny. I'd like to be serious for just a moment on this topic. So here it is in brief...

1.) Gay couples live in our society -- they are Bankers, Lawyers, Senators, Moms, Dads, Teens, Brothers, Sisters, Dentists, Mechanics... you name it. They are human beings. They eat, drink, sleep, go to work and pay taxes just like you.

2.) We have a long history of violence and discrimination in this country. Against Blacks, against Asians, against Jews, lately Gays and Muslims seem to be the targets. Many have struggled and lost their lives fighting for their Civil Rights - simply to enjoy the same liberties and freedoms of their peers. Haven't we learned anything from our past mistakes?

3.) Some people seem to feel that the "institution of marriage" is being threatened and that "marriage is between a man and a woman." You hear things like "the law is the law." But think about it. Is it a just law to deny other people the same rights and freedoms you enjoy simply because of their sexual preference? By that logic we should deny them other freedoms like the right to work with us and live next to us and go to school with us and on and on. Surely even the most conservative person would not wish this to happen.

Finally, if a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage actually happens -- what future effect will this have on other Civil Rights? Think about it when you go to your polling place this November.

Thanks for listening.
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#1439 - 02/25/04 11:13 AM Re: OT: Gay bashing
Knife Offline
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So, have we resolved a point?

Is it possible to attenuate the frequency of gay marriage using the digital I/O for aux 5/6 on the DA7?
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#1440 - 02/25/04 12:28 PM Re: OT: Gay bashing
GlennR01 Offline
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Registered: 08/21/02
Posts: 5136
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Originally posted by Knife:
So, have we resolved a point?

Is it possible to attenuate the frequency of gay marriage using the digital I/O for aux 5/6 on the DA7?
Only if you use a male-to-male or female-to-female adapter. \:\)

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#1441 - 02/25/04 12:42 PM Re: OT: Gay bashing
Nick Batzdorf Offline
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Registered: 04/15/99
Posts: 12161
Loc: Los Angeles, CA, USA
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think you missed the point, that I can and will speak for myself.
I wouldn't suggest otherwise. But I reserve the right to argue with the implications if I disagree with them. And those implications are clear - you said the "problem" with what people are saying is the following:

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The common thread I recognize is Moral Relativism, which basically has a "live and let live" attitude. The fundemental being that "truth is relative", and thereby subject to change. I didn't make it up. It's an attitude prevelent in today's society.
What's wrong with live and let live? This is a "freedom to swing arm until tip of other's nose" society, and gay marriage doesn't hit anyone else's nose.

People used to think racially mixed marriages were wrong. Elvis was considered obscene. The Beatles had long hair. Some social mores will always be fluid, Shane.

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#1442 - 02/25/04 01:30 PM Re: OT: Gay bashing
dorkus Offline
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Registered: 11/02/01
Posts: 103
Loc: San Jose, CA 95124
I’m a Christian, but I believe in live and let live. Not surprisingly, I’m against gay marriage – but for different reasons than anyone has mentioned:

1) I believe that the nuclear family is the bedrock of American society. Most Americans understand that there is tremendous value to having two parents – a mom and a dad. Otherwise, why would anyone care if a child were born out of wedlock? I also believe that men and women are different, and that they both bring something valuable to a kid that’s growing up. As a society, we need to promote this tried and true formula. Are gay parents as good? Sure, they can be good people, love the child to death, and raise a decent kid… But wouldn’t it be better to have the influence of a mom and a dad around?

2) Let’s face it – we’re talking about redefining a word. Marriage has always been understood to be between a man and a woman, hence the issue. However, redefining this word carries many consequences. For example: when marriage is discussed in school, gay marriage is included. When sex education comes up, so will the now-more-legitimized gay sex. I’m not a fan of public sex education in the first place, and I’m certainly not a fan of gay sex education. There are other people like me, and the values that we are trying to teach our children need to be respected.

3) Unintended consequences. I believe that this redefinition opens the door to other types of marriages. I believe that the first of these will be the polygamists. You may think I’m a kook, but just think about it. All the fringe guys in Utah would love some legitimacy. In addition, a case can be made…consenting adults…more wage earners…a loving parent will always be home with the children (no day care)…they’re just wired thay way…it’s all about love…how does it hurt anyone else? Just watch it happen. What will be next?

I think that gay people have some legitimate issues (like hospital visitation, etc), and that some other type of union should be considered to address them.

(Oh, I’m a lurker here that very occasionally chips in)

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