#3717 - 05/10/04 06:58 PM
Re: I don't mean to get political but...
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Registered: 06/16/99
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Loc: Southern Left Coast
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Yeah man, I dig!
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#3720 - 05/10/04 08:57 PM
Re: I don't mean to get political but...
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Registered: 11/24/99
Posts: 227
Loc: Woodland Hills, CA, USA
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"Nattering nebob of negetivity. Blah, blah, blah . . ." -so sayith the Dali Lama.
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#3721 - 05/10/04 09:56 PM
Re: I don't mean to get political but...
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Registered: 01/28/02
Posts: 1471
Loc: Toronto
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Originally posted by Nick Batzdorf: Kelly, Bush won by one vote in 2000. It was as obvious to Nader as it was to everyone else that that was exactly what was going to happen. Sure enough, we have *by far* the worst administration in the entire history of this country. Thousands of people would still be alive if that ****ing egomaniac had withdrawn from the race in 2000. Every single one of his votes was a Gore vote.
His and his supporters' idiotic idea that all politicians are equally bad has been proven wrong - as if that were necessary.
Now the mother****er is running AGAIN! I think opinions have shifted again this week after the revelations about the prisons, but before that the poll I read was something like 50% Bush, 47% Kerry, 3% Ralph ****ing Nader.
That's why I call him a jackass. Having good ideas means nothing - in fact, it's caused deaths - if you don't understand that politics is only the art of the possible, not the ideal.
The harm that ******* has done far outweighs all the good he did in the entire rest of his life. Oh ya, that thing...but besides that I like the guy.
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#3722 - 05/11/04 05:46 AM
Re: I don't mean to get political but...
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Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 192
Loc: St. Charles, IL
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quit your crying about Ralph Nader. We never would have been stuck with Klinton if it had'nt been for perot, and the race would not have been so close last election if it had'nt been for Buchannan.
Bush may be a jackass, but if you think Kerry is better you are dreaming. I have news for ya.. Both parties have sold us out. Time for a revolution. :|
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#3724 - 05/11/04 05:53 AM
Re: I don't mean to get political but...
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Registered: 09/12/00
Posts: 1693
Loc: Santa Barbara,CA
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I can't even stand to look at Bush. or Cheney. or Rumsfeld. or GWB senior. or any of those lying ratbastards. They stole the last election. He and ALL of his henchmen are the real enemies of the people of the US and the entire world, and the rest of the world knows it, and has lost a lot of respect for the people of this country for "electing" him. I want more than anything to get him out of office, and I'm deeply embarrassed to be an American with him as our president.
I'm still learning more about Kerry...
Gore is a cardboard cutout without balls, whose wife has been beating the drum for censorship for 20 years - yeah, they'd have been great in the White House together!
I voted for Nader last time, and so did a lot of people - BECAUSE HE WAS THE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB! and he reflects WAY more of my point of view than either of the other two ever will. He represents an opportunity and and alternative to reject "business as usual" (moneymaking at any cost) on all fronts in our "government" (big business) including making my vote actually worth one vote by putting the electoral college in the trash can where it belongs, and putting people like Haliburton's executives in jail where they belong. There are a lot of people ****sing and moaning about how they hate what's going on in this country at a fundamental level, and that my vote got us into this because I should have seen that my Nader vote was really a Gore vote wasted - that is such BS!!! Real change happens because people have the courage to acknowledge and speak the truth, stand behind it, and support it with their vote and lifestyle. The biggest problem is that people are afraid to do what they know is right. If everyone who wanted to vote for Nader actually DID vote for Nader last time, we might have a third party (on the way at least) that actually represents the people and not big business. I know from 25-35 years of paying attention that Ralph Nader has done more for positive change FOR THE PEOPLE in this country over that period of time than anybody. It's my impression that he's done what he has because he believes in it, not because he's posing for photo ops. He's not sexy, but he's got teeth. He's been rolling up his sleeves and taking these *******s on for 30+ years, making a dent, and I actually believe what he says...that is not a wasted vote!! He makes clear the distinction that big buisiness controls our government, gets us into wars all over the globe, oppresses our own people along with millions of others in every corner and destroys the environment ruthlessly with prejudice and without conscience. This is the model that will never work and is completely unsustainable. Under these conditions, the best we can hope for is someone who is concious enough to minimize the damage. The worst is someone like Bush.
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#3725 - 05/11/04 06:46 AM
Re: I don't mean to get political but...
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Registered: 04/15/99
Posts: 12161
Loc: Los Angeles, CA, USA
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Michael M., I've been using literally the same words you're using for four years about not being able to stand looking at Bush. But I hold every person who voted for Nader personally responsible. They can go on justifying their irresponsible votes however they want, but that will not make it realistic. It was obvious all along that a vote for your principles was exactly the same as a vote for Bush. I too like what Nader was saying. But so ****ing what; in the real world, he was and is never going to become president. Gore isn't ideal, but he isn't Bush. It's just plain naive to think that they're equal just because they both share some faults. That's faulty logic, and Nader's supporters were all intelligent enough to know better. I'm not very impressed with Kerry, by the way - I don't like the way he starts flapping his lips in sync with the wrong tape in response to a different question - but he's no George Bush. We've never had an administration this evil. And the worst part about it is that so many otherwise perfectly reasonable people are going to vote for him. Shane, that cartoon isn't the least bit funny.
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